Manual vs. Auto
... "I thought it would be only a matter of time
before the Five speed vs. Auto came up" ...
I would not own or consider owning a 928 manual the
gearboxes are museum pieces (or should be) they are old designs, poor
shifting, heavy and well dated.
Buyers had a choice of manuals or auto's and no price
difference and voted overwhelmingly with their feet a second hand 928 (and
they all are now) with a manual gearbox is far harder to sell than an auto.
The manual cars have had quite a few clutch revisions and
modifications over the years due to problems with the systems.
Manuals might be fine if you want to play boy racer but
who needs it? I can play boy racer with the auto just as well. In straight
line performance in the quarter mile give me a auto any time. I can stall it
up using the converter and launch hard then use the torque multiplication
qualities of the auto to get me off the line quicker I can shift hard and
not punish the clutch adjust how violent a shift I want using the modulator
valve and play with the torque converter qualities and "brain "
programming all I like if I'm that way inclined at not super costs.
I also have manual cars and have had lots in the past I
even have a 6 speed behind the 460 cub V8 in my Cobra but if there was a
good 5 speed auto available to handle the hugh torque of this motor that's
what I would probably run.
So there you have it the auto side more go for your bucks
from the start, reliability and no damm clutch to fry, slip, shudder,
shatter or bleed.
This should spark some messages.
Eddy - Auto and loving it
There isn't really any "vs". They are designed for different purposes. The auto is designed to be primarily EASY. The manual is designed to be primarily FAST. No-one wins circuit races or rallies in auto's.
ES: Manuals might be fine if you want to play boy racer but who needs it I can play boy racer with the auto just as well
My manual works fine. Not a single problem in two and a half busy years.
ES: In straight line performance in the quarter mile give me a auto any time.
Sure, Eddy, I'll give you the auto. I'll take the manual and beat you. The manuals have a higher top speed too.
There is more to life with a sports car than straight lines, by the way.
Or you could just use a manual properly. And if you tune the auto for drag racing, what about the twisty bits and "normal" driving? Different programme I guess... gee whiz...golly... aren't computers just wonderful? They can make everything so EASY!
ES: I also have manual cars and have had lots in the past I even have a 6 speed behind the 460 cub V8 in my Cobra but if there was a good 5 speed auto available to handle the hugh torque of this motor that's what I would probably run.
I guess there just isn't a good 5 speed auto available, Eddy. <grin> (sidebar - I bet THAT thing is fun downhill in the rain!)
ES: So there you have it the auto side more go for your bucks from the start, reliability and no damm clutch to fry, slip, shudder, shatter or bleed.
MORE GO FROM AN AUTO??? Where? When? EVERY test and EVERY factory figure published on 928's quotes the manuals as quicker and faster. As for reliability etc. etc. I guess manuals are easier to break if improperly used. Maybe you have converted me, Eddy. When I get lazy or forget how to drive I'll by an auto and take it easy. ;-)
ES: This should spark some messages.
I can almost visualise Glenn's choking fit of rage. Steady, Glenn! <grin>
Girl Racer Here!
Some of us girls like playing with ....the stick, keeps us
out of trouble and concentrating on the important things in life.... :) (:
mmmm going FAST.
Aranka (forever) Young,
928 GT MANUAL.... in go fast RED!
This is the opening paragraph in the June 1986
SPORTSCAR WORLD article on the just released '86 928s.
"Anyone who wants a manual
928 is a dill" says Porsche Cars Australia boss Alan Hamilton with
The 928 has always been a car admirably suited to its four
speed automatic transmission and its truer than ever for the '86 model 928s
with its new to Australia engine and a host of other changes that make it
easily the most altered model in the line-up. One thing not changed is the
manual gearbox: with it, the 928s is the fastest Porsche sold here, but
manhandlling the strongly sprung lever and high mounted, long travel clutch
pedal does little for such a svelte machine: buyers agree, for only five
percent of 928s sold here are manual.
The rest of the article just raves on about the 928 in
general. When I bought my 928s a bit over 3 years ago there were manual cars
available. Two red ones with black interiors for the same money I paid for
mine. The Porsche red is very red and hard to miss, I had a Alfa GTV in red
and got tickets regularly. The manual cars always seem to be a bit tatty
too. Cheers Glenn.
Graham Bates, '82 928s Anniversary Model
GB: "Anyone who wants a manual
928 is a dill" says Porsche Cars Australia boss Alan Hamilton with
typical candour. The 928 has always been a car admirably suited to its
four speed automatic transmission
I don't dispute that the 928's healthy torque make it a
good candidate for mating to an automatic transmission. It is quite stupid
to infer that this makes the 928 somehow unsuitable to be a manual!
GB: manhandlling the strongly sprung
lever and high mounted, long travel clutch pedal does little for such a
svelte machine: buyers agree, for only five percent of 928s sold here are
(Did SCW survive until 1986??) I have always tried to be
candid about the 928's (sometimes) heavy gearchange, but THIS particular
criticism is crap! The gearlever is not strongly sprung, except perhaps
going into the first/reverse plane, and this is only relative; it's not as
though any real effort is required. That's hardly going to ruin your day!
Long travel clutch pedal?? Did this guy really drive a
manual 928? What's he comparing it to? Long throw on the gearchange with the
standard length gearstick - yes; but then again, no longer than many others.
The clutch is not heavy, either, although it obviously requires actual force
to be applied, unlike many light Japanes clutches.
GB: The manual cars always seem to be
a bit tatty too.
I am unable to refute this last point. A handful of the
many, many manual 928s I looked at when I was in the market were tatty, and
I can't remember any automatics being tatty. Then again, the only automatics
I saw were the odd ones in the dealerships where I went to look at a manual.
My advice is to drive both if you are not determined to
have a manual.
Though remember this: the more you
drive the manual, the better you like it (unless you desire a
Japanese-style easy shift). It isn't the most user friendly box to drive
for the first time but, like Charles said, it is a GREAT feeling to master
Glenn, '80 928 Petrolblaumetallic 'S' look 5 speed
1. Auto's are easier most of the time. If you like
things more difficult than they need to be, I think that is perverse.
However, even as a dedicated lover of auto's I would sometimes kill for a
2. Manuals are misdriven more often than not;
present company no doubt excluded, I have no doubt that manual 928's come in
for their fair share of mistreatment. Auto's are mistreated too, but don't
tend to transmit that mistreatment to the rest of the vehicle, tends to stay
with the box.
3. I think the factory manuals are out on a lot of
things, and I don't see any reason to accept the manual vs auto
descriptions as any different. Further, the factory says the auto is faster
than the manual at some speeds.
4. Hands up all those that have ever attained the top
speed of their shark? Manual top speed might be a little hypothetical on
our roads, don't you think?
5. With the aid of that little button on the T-bar
thankfully supplied by the forward thinking Ferry Porsche, I too can select
the appropriate gear to set up for corners, etc.
Darren Fritzsch, '81
Devek opines, on its web site, that the 928's double plate
clutch is the best production clutch ever. They retrofitted one to their
open road racer, the "White Car"; now 6.4 litres and capable of
208 mph. They claim that Porsche changed to a larger diameter (more
rotational inertia!) clutch because the double plate clutch suffered at the
hands of many mechanics.
I am happy for manuals to be cheaper.
Perhaps, one day, I will be able
to afford one of the five 928GTSs which were imported into Oz
... (sigh). Each unto their own ... you'll never convince
Wheels magazine last year nominated the 928 manual's
gearchange as one of the ten worst of all time. A couple of issues later, it
criticised the 5.7 litre 250 kW HSV's Getrag for having a heavy shift!
Is there a manual transmission capable of handling big
torque which shifts like a Honda? Devek's car has 375 bhp at the rear
wheels; Mark Anderson claims his race car has over 500 bhp. Devek believes
that the drivetrain can handle 750 bhp.
The Honda S2000 has a thumping 208 Nm at 7500 rpm. I don't
think that the teeny weeny synchro rings required to in a transmission
designed for this sort of torque should give anything but a silky smooth
Glenn, '80 928 Petrolblaumetallic 'S' look 5 speed and